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	<title>Comments on: 3 Plugins for Safer ActiveRecord Deletions</title>
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		<title>By: Garry Tan</title>
		<link>http://www.railsinside.com/plugins/170-3-plugins-for-safer-activerecord-deletions.html/comment-page-1#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Garry Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acts as paranoid doesn&#039;t work properly as of Rails 2.1.2 (the last known working version that I have in production is with Rails 2.1.0)

The problem in 2.1.2 is that something must have changed in the rails code to cause deleted items to appear again in associations. I&#039;m in the process of ripping out Acts as Paranoid now. It should not be used at all and should probably be deprecated entirely with strong warnings to avoid use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acts as paranoid doesn't work properly as of Rails 2.1.2 (the last known working version that I have in production is with Rails 2.1.0)</p>
<p>The problem in 2.1.2 is that something must have changed in the rails code to cause deleted items to appear again in associations. I'm in the process of ripping out Acts as Paranoid now. It should not be used at all and should probably be deprecated entirely with strong warnings to avoid use.</p>
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		<title>By: jerome</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marcel: just use recover! class method with acts_as_paranoid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marcel: just use recover! class method with acts_as_paranoid</p>
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		<title>By: grosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>grosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 and 2 should be easy, but 3 could get hard when your data is out of date...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 and 2 should be easy, but 3 could get hard when your data is out of date...</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the write-up! However, could you (or anyone else who has experience with these plugins) tell me something about the ease of restoring data from the three aforementioned mechanisms?

Keeping a backup of AR-data is one thing, but how do you restore this data when needed and how much effort does it take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the write-up! However, could you (or anyone else who has experience with these plugins) tell me something about the ease of restoring data from the three aforementioned mechanisms?</p>
<p>Keeping a backup of AR-data is one thing, but how do you restore this data when needed and how much effort does it take?</p>
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		<title>By: grosser</title>
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		<dc:creator>grosser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comparison, i always wondered if there are other aproaches out there.

Imo soft-deleteable is superior to paranoid, the little extra migration overhead is worth it...

Trashable seems nice, but when the user is too old recovery could get hard (rows missing/validations failing) but keeping the deleted childs seems promissing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comparison, i always wondered if there are other aproaches out there.</p>
<p>Imo soft-deleteable is superior to paranoid, the little extra migration overhead is worth it...</p>
<p>Trashable seems nice, but when the user is too old recovery could get hard (rows missing/validations failing) but keeping the deleted childs seems promissing...</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if you can tell the reason why acts_as_paranoid won&#039;t work well with latest Rails.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh N. Abbott</title>
		<link>http://www.railsinside.com/plugins/170-3-plugins-for-safer-activerecord-deletions.html/comment-page-1#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh N. Abbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post! I&#039;ve been looking for a neat little write-up like this.

-- Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post! I've been looking for a neat little write-up like this.</p>
<p>-- Josh</p>
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